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iPhone/iPod/iPad application

Connect to the vpn with a wifi touch or iphone and have a menu system for access to things like osc on/off and assign, output geq and peq access, adjust all aux sends via rows of mini faders mimmicing flip mode(great for one man sound crews). snapshot recalls, console lock...the beat goes on...

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Submitted by stevegam 4 years ago

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  1. Pinned Moderator

    Merged related ideas and updated topic

    4 years ago
  2. Please develop Native DShow App for Apple iPad also

    4 years ago
  3. Moderator

    Thanks for the feedback. What do you see as the benefits of having a native app that works on iPad, compared to running a VNC client (which works today).

    Sheldon Radford

    Digidesign

    4 years ago
    1. jc

      Take a look at the Presonus StudioLive native app "SL-Remote" for the iPad. It is much more user friendly and intuitive than simply controlling what you see on the screen for D-Show, not to mention the other touch features it has like drawing eq curves, and large "faders" to control aux sends instead of trying to use little knobs etc. It's disappointing to me that this relatively inexpensive little console has such a nice iPad app (and another iPhone app for controlling auxes btw), while our top of the line Profile's do not.

      2 years ago
    2. I just now downloaded the Mackie Master Fader app to test drive it on the iPad. It is truly bad-ass. If you haven't checked it out yet, you really should. It's better than I expected. If something anywhere close to that could be implemented on Venue, you'd really have a serious tool.

      2 years ago
  4. the benefits i see are the ability to obviously walk a room, but to have zoom in close up representation of eqs, mix faders. not having to use a stylus. drawing eq with my fingers and pinching to adjust cue shape would be awesome. this is just a start..but obviously, how many venue users will be using a tablet? how many venue tablet users will be interested in a app? how much will it cost digidesign to create a completely new software on a new os? these are the things in our way of having this app. i dont see it happening. its cheaper to design it for a crap pc touchcreen. good luck

    4 years ago
  5. I am sure there are people who use remote controlled DShow.. when they have to spend on a $2000 Tablet PC, they will always have a choice of $499 Tablet with another $20 or something for the iPad App.

    I see its worth making it..

    4 years ago
  6. I'm getting an iPad as soon as I can to use the VNC software, It would be great to work in the apple mutltitouch interface with the controls, especially with zoom and the ability to make more minute adjustments.

    4 years ago
  7. I see the benefit in that the console display isn't optimized for touch interaction. It's used to display information and interact with mouse control, but touch interaction seems different to me... Sometimes, because of the size of your finger, it's harder to be accurate.

    Of course, I'm basing this all on VNC with iPhone. Scrolling the screens around makes it nearly worthless to me. If on the iPad there's no need to scroll, then to me, it's less of an issue...

    But a native app would allow you to double tap the eq screen and it would bring the eq section full size for easier interaction, for instance...

    The VNC experience is fine on a computer, subpar on a phone, and unknown on the iPad. But I think the iPad has the most potential to be helpful, so whatever it took to maximize the experience on the iPad would be the feature I'd vote for...

    4 years ago
  8. Two more thoughts...

    On performance... The VNC application send commands quickly and prioritizes the screen refresh after sending the data. One benefit of the application for iPad could be that there's no need to send screen information back and forth... The application would just communicate basic commands back and forth with the desk... Perhaps this wouldn't quite work with plugins, but for basic operability, it would be a huge advantage over VNC. Some lighting control applications behave like this. You are essentially running the software in both places and they just communicate keystrokes back and forth instead of full resolution screen images...

    As for this thread, should it be merged with the "iPod/iPod Touch application" thread?

    4 years ago
  9. stevegam Idea Submitter

    You can now do this using vpn for iphone but the screen is incredibly hard to navigate.

    4 years ago
  10. emmiesdad28 Merged

    I know this has been posted before, but I find myself with an almost every gig need for an iPad program specifically designed to run my SC48. I consistently find myself setup on the side of stage for large corporate events and/or weddings etc. I use my laptop wirelessly now but trying to get around on the standalone software quickly while holding my laptop with one hand and using the mouse with my other is tough! An app similar to the new Yamaha M7CL app would be absolutely a life saver for me. Maybe with large buttons across the top (inputs, outputs, etc.), then have fader banks with larger faders and the ability to select a channel and hit a large eq or compressor button to bring up specific screens for those functions. This would be the icing on an already very tasty cake. Thanks guys!!

    4 years ago
  11. Everything has to be easy to do with your finger.

    Maybe faders for Comp/Gate/Plug parameters instead of knobs?

    Zoom function acts as "Q" in EQ?

    Full Screen for EQ/Comp/Gate/Plug

    Ability to save the file...etc

    3 years ago
  12. stevegam Idea Submitter

    My original thoughts were really aimed at a custom app for the Iphone/Ipod touch as almost every soundguy owns one or the other. You currently cannot easily navigate via VPN using these devices as the displays are too small to use effectivly. This is why I suggested custom pages or menu system for access to things like osc on/off and assign, output geq and peq access, adjust all aux sends via rows of mini faders mimicking flip mode, snapshot recalls, console lock etc..... I originally included the Ipad because I figured it would run on it. Now we know it will not.

    Now we know that Apple will never allow Flash on these devices I will likely move to the Android device, grab the SDK and try to develop an app for me.

    3 years ago
  13. This has to be done. A certain company begining with Y have a iPad app out for their console (which has a 7 in the name) and it is just perfection. This is what us engineers are craving for, especially monitor engineers.

    The control of the graphics and sengs on faders (which is what it is ALL about) within that app are outstanding.

    And I know quite a few profile engineers speccing these other desks on certain shows JUST to use that app. IT's killer. Please catch up!!!

    3 years ago
  14. Hi friends, venue D-Show need for a standalone Tablet app, with VNC two engineers can not work simultaneously, is a continuing struggle to have the control.

    3 years ago
  15. Venue SC48 need a independent software for ipad or tabletPC like Yamaha and others. and no slow VNC software, I'm insisting to get but the wait is very slow.

    We must unite as one voice.

    Please visit this link and put your opinion, Thanks

    http://duc.avid.com/showthread.php?t=295178

    3 years ago
  16. @Sheldon Redford:

    The advantage is huge. If it's a well thought out app, it is much easier to navigate, somewhat faster, and the really must have functions can be on screen most of the time.

    With all due respect, you guys should check out y's stagemix apps for ipad. There are many good things in there: long faders, easy and fast access to auxes, great eq impemetations, etc.

    Again, it is workable this way, but with a specific app, it would be much more usable. And I honestly think that a system like this (venue) really deserves a real control app.

    3 years ago
  17. Android compatibility too.

    3 years ago
  18. Anyone that has used the yamaha apps will understand this. They are much more responsive and precise fader moves.

    2 years ago
  19. I watched a fellow engineer play with the m7 app this past weekend. Yamaha's software utilizes the multitouch capabilities of the iPad. One example of this was having 8 faders on screen, you are able to put 8 fingers on 8 different faders and move each at the same time independently. Look at this video of an iPad controller app for Protools and consider the possibilities with venue.

    2 years ago
  20. I've been using iTeleport with an iPad 2 for a year now and it has changed my tuning process completely for the better. What I would like to see is another tab to a panel with perhaps 8 faders of choice and/or the VCA's that would work with multi-touch. The faders would have full hash marks so you would know where you were, etc. I have too many performers to mix off the VNC screen. While a full blown app would be great, this would be a good upgrade with much less programming.

    2 years ago
  21. I used the iPad app from Yamaha to control an LS9, a console that I loathe using, the app is so well designed that it made that console EXTREMELY usable. Digi should be able to at least mirror or if not beat that level of functionality i hope. The current VNC software is far to error prone by the user interface not being design for touch based interaction. Where VNC apps were conceived to function with mouse and keyboard , and now allow touch interfaces to mimic that level of interaction.

    2 years ago
  22. I'm amazed that this idea was submitted 2 years ago and nothing has happened on the side of Avid....... Most touring engineers that I know always mention how cool it would be if they could take a walk with an Ipad and control their consoles.

    Using a VNC is way too tedious and slow. I've seen the presonus app and the yamaha ones and they are easy to use. Why cant Avid do the same?

    www.capsicumpro.com

    2 years ago
    1. What is it for the Vegas mode? to see it on youtube? if AVID had spent the time to make a standalone software, would be more productive, I do not understand how they can keep the idea of VNC.

      2 years ago
  23. I think it would be priceless to be able to tweak monitor mixes wirelessly with an iPad, and the current VNC setup doesn't easily facilitate this. I'd love to be able to walk right over to a performer during soundcheck and rehearsal and be able to not only hear things from their perspective but also instantly communicate with them.

    2 years ago
  24. I picked up an iPad3 and finally got around to using iTeleport to try out the VNC control. I have to agree that it's not very elegant. When zooming in on parts of the screen for control, the resolution of the display is very poor and turning encoders isn't very smooth. It seems that a dedicated app would allow for good scaling or focus/zoom of various control parameters with smooth control. I can see potential for making some nasty mistakes with the current implementation. I do hope something is in the works for iOS and similar devices.

    2 years ago
  25. I completely concur and want to give this thread a bump. VNC is not elegant nor intended for touch interface. You can far to easily: 1. make large un-intended adjustments when only try to nudge something a db or two. 2. It is far to easy to try to zoom in on an area to be able to have control over it and inadvertently make a change.

    This should already be done. With such a forward looking company I am SHOCKED that it hasn't and this thread is 2 YEARS!!!!!!! old. AN LS9 TRUMPS all avid consoles in this department.... AN LS9!!!!!!!!!!!

    2 years ago
  26. Al the tablets/Ipad/Iphones work via wifi !! this is a open network! in most cases with a password sometimes a strong password... why don't we see the risk for this way off working ! also via a VPN there are risks. If work on audio the only place to be is at the desk

    2 years ago
  27. stevegam Idea Submitter

    Wow, I must heavily disagree with the comments about the LS9 being above all digi consoles with regards to the iPad app. Granted there is no app for the venue lineup but with VPN you CAN walk up to your wedges and ring them out. The fisher price (oops) I mean the ls9 app does not give you access to your graphic eq's. So you can't eq your wedges. Also, you can't get to your effects racks so no changing your verb parameters standing in front of a line of wedges. Now let's walk to the back of the room and dial in some delay time for your balcony fills or delay stacks, oh oh, can't do that either. Can't delay your center wedges out to the side fills either. All of this can be done via VPN. Don't get me wrong, I want avid to develop an app, I just hope they do it right and really think about the workflow of people that spend over $50k for a console. If they mimicked the ls9 app I would be disappointed but with hopes of future releases. It's a nice app but not designed for road show use. But neither is the console.

    2 years ago
    1. I think the gist of the idea was more about the fact that the LS9 app is much better than VNC even though it's feature incomplete in terms of basic functionality. At least that what comes to my mind. If Avid can do something along those lines but put in all the stuff we need to do the job right, that would be ideal.

      2 years ago
  28. Mackie released a YouTube video of their iOS app in action with their new iPad controlled digital mixer. I think this is very much along the lines of what I'd like to see for Venue, but with all the functionality of the actual Venue feature set. Enjoy...

    2 years ago
  29. bf

    Sheldon: The advantage would be huge. VNC eats a ton of bandwidth and the responsiveness is not anywhere near as good as it needs to be.

    Yamaha's apps for the LS9 and M7CL give those consoles a huge advantage in some ways. I prefer those consoles to mix monitors due to this capability alone.

    2 years ago
  30. ken

    Yes, I agree that the user interface for the yamaha iPad apps are superior, but they substantially limit what you can and can't do with the console. That is what I hate about them, amongst many other things. I'd like to see an app that has the power to control any an spect of the console (plug-ins especially) and have a good user interface.

    2 years ago
  31. What we really need is a pro app like the Neyrinck v-control pro for Pro Tools. I know that high quality app would cost more money and care, but as Venue is one of the most successful consoles out there, I think it's user base deserve that care.

    2 years ago
  32. I think compatibility with V-Control Pro alone would be fantastic.

    2 years ago
  33. I agree that the VNC interface is too slow and cumbersome to use... especially on a tablet. I would personally like to see an Android app, but I am sure that an iPad app would see the most users. I am confident that if Digidesign were to simply provide a protocol and publish the spec we would soon see a number of apps available for several types of devices.

    2 years ago
  34. Has anyone used the Pro2 iPad app? Very easy to use!

    Something similar please.

    2 years ago
    1. stevegam Idea Submitter

      Yea the EQ, comps and gates section work great! (oh wait, there isnt one)

      1 year ago
  35. Been using a M7cl recently. happened to check their control software for the iPad. it is amazing. its limited, but what can be done, can be done very well. wish it was there for android. and more importantly wish it was there for the venue?

    I've been trying to get a Venue to replace the M7cl for a few months now at an installation I regularly work at... when the installation owner saw the Yamaha iPad controller, he had the look of "does your Venue have that?"

    I know digi has always been a company extremely slow to catch up with others, but this is extremely slow and I sincerely hope things change on this front.

    1 year ago
    1. stevegam Idea Submitter

      Ask the installation owner to listen to the sound of the Venue vs the M7. Then ask him, does your M7 do that? I am getting a bit irritated about M7 and LS9 and mackie. It's not the same class of console. The venue has become almost the defacto pro touring console on the planet, those others are small to medium club consoles. The Profile is now more popular than the PM5d on world tours. This info is readily available if you know where to look. If you must have the ipad app then GO BUY AN M7 but don't complain to me that it sounds like someone put a sleeping bag over the PA. Sorry to rant, I started the thread 2 years ago and I still don't have an ipad app. I still love the console and could really care less. It would be nice but the console works perfectly without it.

      1 year ago
    2. steve.... hmmm... Good to see you take things in the right spirit. at least thanks for starting this post/request 2 years ago, a time when you were enthusiastic and excited.

      1 year ago
    3. stevegam Idea Submitter

      Sorry if I went a little overboard. I still love the console regardless of the remote. I use one of our Digi's for almost every show. It is still one of the more flexible consoles available. For every 5 things I find that I like that only a Digico does , I find five things that only the Venue does. Being a $50k plus console it should not be compared to the likes of the x32, pro2, ls9 et al. I see XL8 's, Pro9/6, SD7's, Venues, PM1D/5D etc. every week and nobody is using any remote software (at least not to run the console!). YES I think it would be great to have for ringing out monitors but at FOH I use a Lake system and it is remote controlled. I would never trust using it on an "A" list artist in a show for anything but a second display or to control a plug in. Are you willing to put your reputation on a wifi network? Anyways, I hope your enjoying your console as much as I am.

      1 year ago
    4. We're only asking for added functionality. I'm not saying mix using an iPad. I try to get a Venue every possible chance I can, coz I just love it and I recommend it to anyone who asks.

      at the particular fixed installation I was talking about(and pretty much always), I do FOH and Monitors. and every once in a while, I have to leave FOH position to see what the artist is talking about. and that time something like this would be extremely useful. I use Android VNC to connect to the Venue, but as pretty much everyone here knows... VNC is not the optimal way of doing things.

      that is all. cheers.

      1 year ago
    5. stevegam Idea Submitter

      I hear you. It's been 2 years since I started this thread, the way Avid has been acting lately I doubt we ever see a native app. I would almost bet a whole new console platform will be introduced (with an app) before we see an app for the Venue series.

      1 year ago
  36. stevegam Idea Submitter

    Sorry Sheldon, The MI market population is not my forte.

    1 year ago
  37. So the "BIG" news on Monday was ProTools 11. Who cares? Where is my iPad App? Well Avid you've succeeded in being in a league of your own. Having the only digital console without an iPad App. Congratulations!!!

    1 year ago
    1. stevegam Idea Submitter

      So it's now been 3 years since I started this thread for an Ipad app. Looks like development on this is dead.

      1 year ago
    2. Well, PT11 was a rollout for NAB which is a TV/Film/broadcast technology convention. So I wouldn't have expected a Venue related product rollout. That said, I'd really like to have the iOS app too.

      1 year ago
  38. How come you guys are dragging your feet on this? How many other companies will get this right before you? Please don't give me this whole "VNC" is available right now. If that in fact worked so well, then why is this request been at the top of this list for over 3 years now? I'm starting to think you guys at avid could give a flying Crap what your customer base is wanting. Listen to us Avid! We want multi user functionality so the bandies can controller their monitor mixes, we want a fully functional foh platform that the foh engineer can control most mixing from the app. I have to say this is an incredible mark against your customer voice. Because all we're are hear from you is: "We hear what you want, but we don't care"...

    1 year ago
  39. I'm curious if Avid's reluctance to create an iOS app has to do with the perception (mine at least) that Apple's Logic Pro has really been eating away at Pro Tools market share. Or maybe they just want to participate exclusively in the pro market instead of the pro-sumer/home-studio market. They probably feel they are in good niche. They also dumped M-Audio a while back, so it really looks like they just want to deal with only the pro market.

    Now, I wonder how long it will take before the pro-sumer market players start catching up. We live in the YouTube-DIY-production generation and I feel that sooner or later, Avid will start to feel the squeeze from the smaller players.

    It would be nice if Avid opened the Venue software to support OSC or at least give 3rd party developers access to the EUCON protocol. Then others could create their own apps to control a Venue console. Avid wouldn't need to support the apps created, but only the API at the minimum. Avid, you could leverage the eager DIY'ers out there.

    7 months ago
  40. No reply from avid guys why

    ....?

    4 months ago
  41. I have been a huge Avid fan for the last 7 years now. So much that we now have 1 Profile, 2 SC48s and 1 S3L. I am very concerned with where they are going to go from here. If they were concerned with the Pro market only, then they should have never brought out the S3L, especially without the existence of an iPad app and instead come out with a newer large format console. The D-Show is what, 10 years old now? If you want to come out with cheaper consoles then you need to give people what they want - iPad integration. For me, Avid's biggest seller has been integrated plug-ins right into the console, but with TDM going the way of the Dodo, companies like Waves are no longer making new plugins for that format. And 48k 24 bit sampling is so 2010.

    - Concerned User

    4 months ago
  42. Please somebody @least reply

    4 months ago
  43. The fact that this discussion about an Application has been going on for so many years, is a huge frustration. With Behringer's X32 dominating the digital board sales, because of both it's low pricing and iPad application, it's hard to see why AVID isn't jumping on board. The Venue software is pretty solid, and I could see it interfacing to a dedicated app very well. And applications can be a HUGE upwell to clients looking for a new FOH console. Please give us some feedback AVID. the VNC isn't an answer. Check out Behringer's App.

    4 months ago
  44. I think with the release of new features on the S3L (multiple systems sharing I/O) an iPad app would make that system much more appealing. I have been looking for a console that can run on a network so I could easily pull channels into a broadcast board or a monitor board. If I had an iPad/iPhone app which would allow band members to mix their own monitors then I have a great monitor/broadcast desk all in one now. I have used the x32 iPad and iPhone apps and they are amazing...If I could get that functionality with a great sounding avid console I would be so happy!

    4 months ago

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